Growing Up in Working Class Youngstown — Smoky Hollow


Harrison Common – Smoky Hollow – Pergola. Photo by Jack Pearce [CC BY-SA 2.0] via Flickr

I’ve always been fascinated by the name. Smoky Hollow. Sounds a bit mysterious. Atmospheric. The last was literally so at one time. There often was a veil of smoke over the area in early years due to the nearby Mahoning Valley Iron Company.

The area was once the property of the James Wick family. As mills grew up along Crab Creek in the late 1800’s, immigrants densely settled the nearby neighborhoods with homes where you could read the neighbor’s newspaper through the side window, or even closer in row houses. While immigrants moved there from a number of countries, the Italian community dominated by the 1920’s. There were stores with names on them like Nazurini, Lariccia, Tucci, Gaglione, DeBartolo, Cianello, Conti, and Diciacomo. An early business that has survived to this day is Cassese’s MVR Club. Edward J. DeBartolo, Sr., shopping mall developer was born here in 1919. Jack Warner and Dom Roselli also grew up here.


Harrison Common, The Smoky Hollow Granite Map. Photo by Jack Pearce [CC BY-SA 2.0] via Flickr (site includes a legend of identifiable structures)

The neighborhood is bordered by Wick Avenue on the west, the US 422 freeway on the north and east, and Rayen Avenue and Oak Street on the South. In our childhoods, both my wife and I attended churches on the edge of Smoky Hollow. We went to Tabernacle United Presbyterian Church, at the corner of Wood and Walnut until the congregation relocated to Austintown in 1968. My wife’s family went to Sts. Cyril and Methodius Church, just down Wood Street, and my wife went to the school next to the church through eighth grade. Many of her classmates lived in Smoky Hollow. For a time, my father worked nearby at the Raymond Concrete Pile plant along Andrews Avenue.

From the 1970’s on, the neighborhood declined, especially after the mill closures and a number of homes were vacant and razed. The vacancies combined with the growth of Youngstown State has resulted in the beginnings of redevelopment in the area. University classroom buildings, a parking garage, and apartments were built east of Wick Avenue.

Wick Neighbors, Inc in cooperation with St. John’s Episcopal Church, Youngstown State and the City of Youngstown developed a plan for the redevelopment of the area. One of the first parts of the plan to be completed was the creation of Harrison Common Park in 2011, across the street from the MVR, using a combination of $4 million in public funds and private donations. The park features a brick-paved plaza, a pergola donated by the Rotary Club, landscaping, and a large playing field. There is also a pizza/bread oven, reminiscent of the backyard ovens many early Youngstown residents used for baking bread and pizza-making. There is an inlaid, granite plat map of the Smoky Hollow area from 1920 to 1940.


Bread Oven at Harrison Common. Photo by Jack Pierce [CC BY-SA 2.0] via Flickr

Other improvements in the area include road and infrastructure improvements on Walnut Street and the major improvements made on Wick Avenue. Long term development includes plans for housing and attracting businesses to the Smoky Hollow area. In 2014 Wick Neighbors, Inc. merged into Youngstown CityScape, which continues under the latter name.

To visit the area is to be reminded of a once vibrant neighborhood of small groceries and other businesses, densely packed housing and a vibrant neighborhood life. Now most of the houses are gone. The MVR lives on. Much of Smoky Hollow’s life is connected to the university. Harrison Common Park suggests the center of what could be a new vibrant community in the future. When that future will come and what that will look like remains to be seen. Until then the name reminds us of the place that once was. Smoky Hollow.

[Like some other names in Youngstown, some add an “e” to the name, making it Smokey Hollow. I chose the usage I found in The VindicatorWikipedia, and Youngstown CityScape.]


11 thoughts on “Growing Up in Working Class Youngstown — Smoky Hollow

  1. Just read the Smoky Hollow article above and see that your father worked for awhile at Raymond Concrete Pile Company on Andrews Avenue. My father, Vern Luft, was the plant superintendent at Raymond from 1952 until the plant closed in the late 60’s (not sure of the exact year). I spent many Saturday mornings at the plant with my dad when he would go into work to check on things and to make sure things were going OK. I can still smell the steel and hear the banging of the steel casings as they travelled to the waiting railroad cars outside the plant. Great memories!

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    • Jim, I remember my father talking about your father (nothing negative!). I think he enjoyed his work there as much as any job he held. Thanks for sharing your memories. I remember visiting there a few times, but only got to the offices–the railyards would have been more fun!


      • Bob, I think most of the employees liked my dad, and he loved working there. I got to know a lot of the guys when I’d visit on Saturday mornings and they were always friendly toward me and liked showing me the work they did. When the plant closed down, they tried to send my dad to Baltimore but he would have none of that and didn’t want to relocate our family to the Baltimore area. So, they sent him off to places like Texas, Germany, and Brazil, to do some trouble shooting and setting up new facilities. He was finally transferred to the Los Angeles area in 1967 (he grew up in SoCal and always wanted to go back). He spent a few years supervising various Raymond projects such as freeway construction and the building of shopping malls. The Raymond plant was always his favorite place to work and he missed it a great deal.


      • My father also thought about moving to Baltimore, but stayed in Youngstown for the same reason, working in retail for the remainder of his career as a manager in various departments at McKelvey’s. I think he always thought the Raymond job one of his best. I think he missed it as well.


  2. My mother grew up in smoky hollow, she would roller skate down wood street her father was a bread maker and sold it to the customers in the Hollow along with making wine and sausage. My father Al Perl meet Mom there Ann DeSchivo. My only living relative is Betty who still lives in the hollow. My dad was a star at East High and then Georgia then drafted by the Steelers in 42 came back to youngstown and played there also . He became a fireman for 25 years had 6 girls and 2 boys. Both are deceased. All the children are still living. I always enjoyed visiting my Grand Parents they were so loving. Grandpa owned 5 houses until the Great Depression hit losing 4 My Aunt Betty lives in the last one over 100 years old now.

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  3. Bob
    My husband Bob Yane grew up in the Hollow. He lived on Harrison. It was a red brick row house with 3 apartments. Their name LaBate was on the top of the apartments. It is so fun to read your stories. And sad. The apartment was torn down years ago. We need to make way for the new, right?

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